TKP 2 MIDI MAPPING ISSUE

[amcnally336]

Hey Stray!
I am having some trouble getting the midi mapping to work properly. The keystrokes all seem to work properly including those with BOMES, but the MIDI mapping is a no go! I have a couple other controllers, and that might be messing with things. I have a BCF2000 running in Mackie mode, and a Novation SL 61 set up as follows:
Control Surface: Remote Sl In-SL Port 2 Out-SL Port 2
MIDI Port: In-Sl port 1 track on
MIDI Port: In Sl port 2 track on remote on
MIDI Port: Out port 1 track on sync on
This is how Novation indicates to set up the Remote SL.

So, my padkontrol show up as USB Auido Device [2].
I also have listed USB Audio Device, and USB Audio Device [3].
I think these are all relating to the pk, but only [2] is able to communicate with Ableton and the editor. So my setting for PK
MIDI Port: USB Audio Device [2] Track-On Remote- On
Control Surface: Padkontrol Input Usb Audio Device [2].

The problem is that the pk doesn't seem to be picking up the midi mapping. Also, when I am running Bomes, USB Audi Device [2] under MIDI ports turns RED! I chose USB Audio Device [2] in the Bomes midi menu. Not sure if this is normal behavior. When I transmitted the global scene to the pk, I had the option of transmitting on Port A or B. I choose A. Is USB Audio Device and Usb Audio Device [2] the same as Port A and Port B? Not really sure if I should try to retransmit on Port B or not. Also, do the midi mappings necessitate running the pk on a specific channel. Should I just go ahead and manually redo the mapping with my controller? Any input would be MUCH appreciated!

[Stray]

amcnally336 said:

So, my padkontrol show up as USB Auido Device [2].
I also have listed USB Audio Device, and USB Audio Device [3].
I think these are all relating to the pk, but only [2] is able to communicate with Ableton and the editor. So my setting for PK
MIDI Port: USB Audio Device [2] Track-On Remote- On
Control Surface: Padkontrol Input Usb Audio Device [2]. .

Something’s wrong there, sounds like you’re using a generic driver for the pK. It should show up as padKontrol 1 Port A/Port B. I’d suggest reinstalling it.

amcnally336 said:

The problem is that the pk doesn't seem to be picking up the midi mapping. Also, when I am running Bomes, USB Audi Device [2] under MIDI ports turns RED! I chose USB Audio Device [2] in the Bomes midi menu. Not sure if this is normal behavior. .

Definitely not, I think it’s a driver related issue.

amcnally336 said:

When I transmitted the global scene to the pk, I had the option of transmitting on Port A or B. I choose A. .

They should be already set on A. TKP doesn’t use Port B for anything.

amcnally336 said:

Also, do the midi mappings necessitate running the pk on a specific channel. .

It’s actually set up on every channel except 15 and 16. The global/project/instant map controls are all on 1 and the track controls are all on their respective channel. Scene 2 is on channel 2, Scene 3 in on 3, etc.

Like I said before, it isn’t a problem to change some of these mappings around to make room for your controller. I haven’t checked the SL manual yet, but are you just using Automapping, or do you have custom mapping you did as well?

[amcnally336]

Reinstalling the drivers seemed to do the trick!
I only really use the SL for automapping. I will probably set up some controls using the Ableton template, as the bottom rotaries and buttons are freely assignable.
I do not really plan on using the PK for instant mapping. Can I go ahead and overwrite scene 15 and 16, and do I still need to select the PK under controllers? I am working on some ideas to set some of the scenes up a bit differently. This would be primarily for use with Battery or BFD, where I would want most of the pads free for drum hits. I think the only button that really needs to be completely accessible (for my set up) is undo, so I can erase a layer if I botch it. Obviously, you need access to overdub to loop/unloop with MIDI, but I will probably assign that as one of the message buttons (I presume that using the message button as a sort of "shift" key works for all the pads...correct me if I am wrong. ) Turning overdub on and off can be done rather leisurely, whereas Undo NEEDS a dedicated pad. I will probably also give a dedicated pad for delete for audio clips that get botched. Is it possible to assign one pad (say, #13) to undo for MIDI channels, but as delete for audio channels? Not really sure how to do this (if it is even possible). Also, does track one have an pertinence to your set-up? It is easier for me to have track one being used for recording, as it matches up nicely with my BCF to have tracks 1-8 as my main tracks (due to Mackie mode). Just wanted to check before I go moving things around!
Thanks so much for all your hard work. We all appreciate it!

[Stray]

amcnally336 said:

Can I go ahead and overwrite scene 15 and 16, and do I still need to select the PK under controllers?

Yes, use 15/16 however you want. And no, you won’t need to select it as a control surface.

amcnally336 said:

(I presume that using the message button as a sort of "shift" key works for all the pads...correct me if I am wrong. )

There’s only 5 user messages and they’re global (same for all scenes). So you’d have to get rid of Metro I/O, Quantize I/O or Save.

amcnally336 said:

Turning overdub on and off can be done rather leisurely, whereas Undo NEEDS a dedicated pad. I will probably also give a dedicated pad for delete for audio clips that get botched.

I’d have to try it to be sure, but couldn’t you just use Undo the same way for either MIDI or audio? I don’t use Live to record a lot of audio, but I just assumed it worked the same as it did with MIDI.

amcnally336 said:

Is it possible to assign one pad (say, #13) to undo for MIDI channels, but as delete for audio channels? Not really sure how to do this (if it is even possible).

Sure and if it turns out Undo doesn’t work the same on audio tracks, I’ll be revising the TKP.

amcnally336 said:

Also, does track one have an pertinence to your set-up? It is easier for me to have track one being used for recording, as it matches up nicely with my BCF to have tracks 1-8 as my main tracks (due to Mackie mode). Just wanted to check before I go moving things around!

Yes, it’s unused because MIDI channel 1 is my global channel and it would complicate things to have both global controls and track controls on the same channel. I’m sure it could be worked out, I just set it up this way to keep things neat.

[amcnally336]

I checked it and undo DOES seem to erase the audio clip. If I am not using scene 15, could I just use that channel as the global, and use channel 1 for scene 1, like the other tracksare set up? I REALLY want track 1 free to record on. Thanks
Also, do you ever utilize the quantize off and on? Could you give me an example where that would be used?

[Stray]

You can use scene 15 as the project control scene by just copying scene 1 to scene 15…that will work perfectly for all the pads. For the knobs and X/Y though, you’d have to reassign them because they’d be sending on channel 15 instead of channel 1. The pads would stay on channel 1.

And channel 1 would still be the global channel because that’s used for stuff like Play, Stop, Undo, Redo, Overdub, etc. (any control that isn’t track specific basically). You’d have to remap most of the controls in order to use a different global channel.

But, as long as you set up track 1 like I set up the rest of the tracks, that won’t interfere with anything else. I can’t say whether or not it would interfere with your other controllers though. By default a lot of stuff works on channel 1.

As far as quantize goes, I like to be able to record stuff with or without quantize. But I recently realized, I can always leave quantize on and if a part doesn’t need it, I just have to hit Undo once to undo the quantization. So it’s not really needed…unless you’re doing a live situation where you need seamless playback.

[amcnally336]

Cool man!
I'll try setting up track 1 and seeing if I get any interference...so far everything seems to check out. So, basically I just need to copy scene 1 over, and then in MIDI map mode, reassign any controls that were originally sending on channel 1, right?
Also, I noticed that with TKP2, you removed the midi map from the individual track launch (pedal signal), and are now using Bomes with an "enter" command. I think I prefer the original set-up, as with the new set-up, If I go into the plug-in to change parameters or tweak settings, the focus is no longer on the individual clip, so if I hit pedal, the clip will not launch and therefore not record. I have to navigate back to the clip before using the pedal "enter" command. With the original set-up, even if focus is in the plug-in, as long as the track is armed, the pedal will still launch the clip. Just wondering what you though about this and why you decided to change the set-up. Could I just remap these and uncheck the commands for "enter" in Bomes? Thanks again for all your help!!

[Stray]

Sure, you can definitely remap the way clip launch works. The reason I changed it was because, with the old set up, you could only record into the top clip slot for each track and you had no control over scenes. With this set up, you can record into any clip slot and control any scene.

I was talking with Bendy about a similar issue and now I’m thinking that having a change focus button on the instant map scene might be the way to go. You’ll be able to instant map a device, hit change focus and then hit the clip launch pedal to record.

And, yes, all you need to re-assign is tempo (knob 1), global groove amount (knob 2), return A level (Y) and return B level (X).